Comments on: Fundamental Coincidences in Spider-Man 3 http://dethroner.com/2007/05/07/fundamental-coincidences-in-spider-man-3/ Where every man is king. Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:08:30 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jim http://dethroner.com/2007/05/07/fundamental-coincidences-in-spider-man-3/comment-page-1/#comment-83268 Jim Mon, 07 May 2007 17:57:19 +0000 http://dethroner.com/2007/05/07/fundamental-coincidences-in-spider-man-3/#comment-83268 Not sure, I just know they do through people talking and the numerous posts on AICN about him. A lot of it seems to deal with the bad Peter aspect, that they are tired of the good version vs bad version storylines which Venom essentially is, a what if Peter Parker was not the sweet boy you met in Spiderman Issue 1 but a kid who kept getting beat down and turned angry at the world because of it which essentially is Brock. Personally I just felt there was no reason to have him OR the Gwen character in the movie. They added nothing really, especially Gwen. If you wanted to have Gwen Stacy they should have just did the first movie the true way, and have him save the kids at the sacrifice of his lover. Not sure, I just know they do through people talking and the numerous posts on AICN about him. A lot of it seems to deal with the bad Peter aspect, that they are tired of the good version vs bad version storylines which Venom essentially is, a what if Peter Parker was not the sweet boy you met in Spiderman Issue 1 but a kid who kept getting beat down and turned angry at the world because of it which essentially is Brock.

Personally I just felt there was no reason to have him OR the Gwen character in the movie. They added nothing really, especially Gwen. If you wanted to have Gwen Stacy they should have just did the first movie the true way, and have him save the kids at the sacrifice of his lover.

]]> By: Jay Wilson http://dethroner.com/2007/05/07/fundamental-coincidences-in-spider-man-3/comment-page-1/#comment-83266 Jay Wilson Mon, 07 May 2007 17:37:22 +0000 http://dethroner.com/2007/05/07/fundamental-coincidences-in-spider-man-3/#comment-83266 Why do the long time Spidey fans have beef with the Venom character? Initially, he was one of Pete's best baddies before Marvel went ass-crazy with him. Why do the long time Spidey fans have beef with the Venom character? Initially, he was one of Pete’s best baddies before Marvel went ass-crazy with him.

]]> By: Jim http://dethroner.com/2007/05/07/fundamental-coincidences-in-spider-man-3/comment-page-1/#comment-83239 Jim Mon, 07 May 2007 14:34:13 +0000 http://dethroner.com/2007/05/07/fundamental-coincidences-in-spider-man-3/#comment-83239 Rumor has it for good reason. Originally it was going to be Scorpion. Marvel suits begged that it be changed to Venom because of fan popularity. Sam hated Venom and had sworn in interviews in the previous two films that he would never do the Venom storyline because he just thought the character was stupid (and you talk to any long time Spiderman fans and they would agree.) He only wanted to do the original 60's-70's villains like Black Cat and Scorpion. In the end the suits won. Rumor has it for good reason. Originally it was going to be Scorpion. Marvel suits begged that it be changed to Venom because of fan popularity. Sam hated Venom and had sworn in interviews in the previous two films that he would never do the Venom storyline because he just thought the character was stupid (and you talk to any long time Spiderman fans and they would agree.) He only wanted to do the original 60’s-70’s villains like Black Cat and Scorpion. In the end the suits won.

]]> By: Jay Wilson http://dethroner.com/2007/05/07/fundamental-coincidences-in-spider-man-3/comment-page-1/#comment-83236 Jay Wilson Mon, 07 May 2007 14:19:36 +0000 http://dethroner.com/2007/05/07/fundamental-coincidences-in-spider-man-3/#comment-83236 What I hated the most about Spidey 3 is that Peter just happened to discover that the alien is vulnerable to sound AFTER he enters the church that Brock is in - a double coincidence in one scene! In the comics (entering nerd mode here) didn't Peter enter the church after Reed Richards discovered the alien's weakness? Doc Conners easily couldve filled Reed shoes, but the costume storyline was so underdeveloped. What I hated the most about Spidey 3 is that Peter just happened to discover that the alien is vulnerable to sound AFTER he enters the church that Brock is in – a double coincidence in one scene!

In the comics (entering nerd mode here) didn’t Peter enter the church after Reed Richards discovered the alien’s weakness? Doc Conners easily couldve filled Reed shoes, but the costume storyline was so underdeveloped.

]]> By: Danny http://dethroner.com/2007/05/07/fundamental-coincidences-in-spider-man-3/comment-page-1/#comment-83235 Danny Mon, 07 May 2007 14:03:27 +0000 http://dethroner.com/2007/05/07/fundamental-coincidences-in-spider-man-3/#comment-83235 I really need to see this movie, but it seems the more super hero movies I watch, the more I remember my comic book childhood, and the angrier I get with the movie for not being true to what I know. The most recent of this was the 3rd X-Men movie. Maybe I dipped out on my X-Men series prematurely, but I dont remember the Phoenix Saga ending that way (or really any of the X-Men ending that way). I was furious at the movie, and doubly pissed off because it was 2am and no one was around to bitch at. Do the writers/directors take in to account the hordes of pissed off (pseudo)fan-boys when the contemplate straying from the original plot lines? I really need to see this movie, but it seems the more super hero movies I watch, the more I remember my comic book childhood, and the angrier I get with the movie for not being true to what I know. The most recent of this was the 3rd X-Men movie. Maybe I dipped out on my X-Men series prematurely, but I dont remember the Phoenix Saga ending that way (or really any of the X-Men ending that way). I was furious at the movie, and doubly pissed off because it was 2am and no one was around to bitch at. Do the writers/directors take in to account the hordes of pissed off (pseudo)fan-boys when the contemplate straying from the original plot lines?

]]> By: Jim http://dethroner.com/2007/05/07/fundamental-coincidences-in-spider-man-3/comment-page-1/#comment-83232 Jim Mon, 07 May 2007 13:17:17 +0000 http://dethroner.com/2007/05/07/fundamental-coincidences-in-spider-man-3/#comment-83232 Damn wish I could re-edit my post. Took a look at his points and many of them are actually true to the comic like Eddie Brock being at the church and Gwen being the police chiefs daughter (a point that had they done the first movie right, would have been important since the Green Goblin killed both the police chief AND later Gwen) Also Marco's birth was only a slight retcon. All they needed to do was keep the Peters dad was a spy and Marco killed him angle to have it been the original storyline. Ultimately the biggest problem with the movie was not how coincidental everything was. It was how many baddies where IN the film (3 full plotlines thus a lot suffered like Marco's daughter basically dissapearing, More interaction between Peter and Harry and Mary Jane, or more interaction between Brock and Gwen and Peter) Any one of those threads could have been one whole movie. Damn wish I could re-edit my post. Took a look at his points and many of them are actually true to the comic like Eddie Brock being at the church and Gwen being the police chiefs daughter (a point that had they done the first movie right, would have been important since the Green Goblin killed both the police chief AND later Gwen)

Also Marco’s birth was only a slight retcon. All they needed to do was keep the Peters dad was a spy and Marco killed him angle to have it been the original storyline.

Ultimately the biggest problem with the movie was not how coincidental everything was. It was how many baddies where IN the film (3 full plotlines thus a lot suffered like Marco’s daughter basically dissapearing, More interaction between Peter and Harry and Mary Jane, or more interaction between Brock and Gwen and Peter) Any one of those threads could have been one whole movie.

]]> By: Jim http://dethroner.com/2007/05/07/fundamental-coincidences-in-spider-man-3/comment-page-1/#comment-83231 Jim Mon, 07 May 2007 13:06:43 +0000 http://dethroner.com/2007/05/07/fundamental-coincidences-in-spider-man-3/#comment-83231 My biggest problem as I was pointing out to a work buddy was only once in the entire movie did he use his Spidy sense. More often than not, he got his ass kicked on shit he should have seen like when he was riding his bike down the street and Harry got to him. My biggest problem as I was pointing out to a work buddy was only once in the entire movie did he use his Spidy sense. More often than not, he got his ass kicked on shit he should have seen like when he was riding his bike down the street and Harry got to him.

]]> By: adam b http://dethroner.com/2007/05/07/fundamental-coincidences-in-spider-man-3/comment-page-1/#comment-83230 adam b Mon, 07 May 2007 12:37:37 +0000 http://dethroner.com/2007/05/07/fundamental-coincidences-in-spider-man-3/#comment-83230 i didn't notice any horrible coincidences in the movie. just crappy acting and a really terrible dance scene. emo spidey is no fun. i didn’t notice any horrible coincidences in the movie. just crappy acting and a really terrible dance scene. emo spidey is no fun.

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